Wednesday, October 10, 2007

More bad news with Malaysia - Indonesia

I've got more emails and news about bad news between Indonesia and Malaysia. To be exact, there was a news about RELA (not sure what that is) that goes out after Indonesians in Malaysia. There were incidents where they hit Indonesians, rob, and do horrible things. I cannot even write this is my blog. I am so sad and frustrated. What's going on with Malaysia (and Malaysians)? What did we - Indonesian(s) - do to deserve this?

I thought there should be less boundary between Indonesia and Malaysia. But ...

What's going on there, bro & sis?

You know, more Indonesians now feel that they are offended by Malaysians. I can tell you that this bad feeling is increasing. This is a bad publicity towards Malaysia. People are now creating various calling names, such as "Malingsia" (it's a short of "maling" [thief] "siah" [you, Sundanese]), and worse.

34 comments:

Anonymous said...

I've read some of your writings regarding this Indonesian-Malaysian issue.

I think you should stop generalising.

Only a small number of Malaysians did all those things you mentioned on this blog post. Only some stupid Malaysian governments made a fuss about Rasa Sayange.

Those small number of people don't necessarily represent all Malaysians.

Stop talking as if all Malaysians are doing bad things to Indonesians.

As an academic, you should know better how to deliver your message in a balanced manner.

You wouldn't say that all Indonesians are rapists for what happened on May 12th.

Anonymous said...

this link shows even worse..take a look sir

budi said...

Dear Anonymous,
I don't deny that Indonesia has her own problems, but those are problems within Indonesia. We didn't have problems with Malaysia. (Well, except during Soekarno.)

For example, we don't have specific name calling or deregatory term for Malaysians (they're just Malaysian), but there's "Indon" for Indonesians. Why the hatred? (Look at the URL presented in the second comment. It's full with hatred towards Indonesians.)

Another example. We never had a mob lynching on Malaysians living in Indonesia. Look at what RELA did to Indonesians living in Malaysia (well, in the semenajung - perhaps not in Kalimantan?). There are many Malaysians living in Indonesia. (I made friends with some of them. In November, a friend is coming from Malaysia to pay a visit. A few months ago I visited a old friend in KL. Hey, we even thinking of creating a company together.)

During "Ambalat issue", I tried to calm down angry Indonesians (not to attack Malaysian web sites, and such). The same thing with last issue, an Indonesian (Karate( official who was beaten by Malaysian police. Again some Indonesians were angry. I tried to calm them down. I have not seen this coming from the Malaysian end.

I hope my posting is not viewed as a generalization of Malaysians. I need views from Malaysians who think that what happened in Malaysia right now is wrong. I have not heard such a think. This gives me an impression that most Malaysians don't think that it is wrong or perhaps don't care. I hope I am wrong. (Could you provide me with URL?)

[I hope this messange is clearer than the main msg.]

indon said...

Sir, there is really no reason to be offensed being called "Indon", which is a short of "Indonesian". Come on, you guys also call some minority in your country as "Cina" which is a short of "Chinese".

Anonymous said...

I've never said that you deny any problems with Indonesia, so your first paragraph is a moot point. Suggestion: your style of writing needs to stop addressing inexistant issues. You tend to build them up in your head even when your eyes clearly don't see them.

What I was saying with the problem in Indonesia is that one shouldn't generalise all Indonesians when there are only some of them who did the bad things.

Even though derogatory terms exist, do you think everyone uses it? All of them? The answer is no.
Second of all, the URL to topix.com doesn't represent all Malaysians. What if I start posting forum messages using Indonesian about certain hatred against Malaysian, should people then think all Indonesians are like that? The answer is no.

The way you talk about the fact that there's no derogatory term for Malaysians by Indonesians could be the same thing over there in Malaysia before the term "Indon" surfaced. Can you guarantee that 5 years from now that there will be no Indonesians calling Malaysians as "Malingsians"? What if all Indonesians use that term to despise Malaysians?
What I'm trying to raise here is the fact that the existence of a derogatory term doesn't represent the whole nation.

In terms of mob lynching done by SOME Malaysians. Some Indonesians also have the same mentality, just like when they sweep the Americans, Australians after certain incidents happened between the countries. What happened in Jakarta in May 1998 is one of the worst example in history, directed toward a certain race. Please note that I'm using this example to show you that what RELA did doesn't reflect all Malaysians, just like the May 98 incident shouldn't reflect ALL Indonesians.

Maybe most Malaysians don't care about what happened with those issues (Ambalat, the referee, the RELA incidents), but some might, does everyone need to blog about it? Let me ask you this, did you care when a group of Indonesians in Solo swept some Americans? Throwing punches at innocent people?
You might not.
Did you care with May 98 incident? You might.
Would Malaysians know about whether you care or not? If they don't know that you, as an Indonesia, care about those issues or not, should they label all Indonesians as a group of low life bastards? No.

I'm sure not all Indonesians are super sensitive like those friends of yours whom you tried to calm down back then with Ambalat issues.

I'm sure not all Indonesians are sensitive like certain people in your government whom didn't feel at ease with criticisms on Republik BBM / Republik Mimpi TV Show.

Anonymous said...

I've never said that you deny any problems with Indonesia, so your first paragraph is a moot point. Suggestion: your style of writing needs to stop addressing inexistant issues. You tend to build them up in your head even when your eyes clearly don't see them.

What I was saying with the problem in Indonesia is that one shouldn't generalise all Indonesians when there are only some of them who did the bad things.

Even though derogatory terms exist, do you think everyone uses it? All of them? The answer is no.
Second of all, the URL to topix.com doesn't represent all Malaysians. What if I start posting forum messages using Indonesian about certain hatred against Malaysian, should people then think all Indonesians are like that? The answer is no.

The way you talk about the fact that there's no derogatory term for Malaysians by Indonesians could be the same thing over there in Malaysia before the term "Indon" surfaced. Can you guarantee that 5 years from now that there will be no Indonesians calling Malaysians as "Malingsians"? What if all Indonesians use that term to despise Malaysians?
What I'm trying to raise here is the fact that the existence of a derogatory term doesn't represent the whole nation.

In terms of mob lynching done by SOME Malaysians. Some Indonesians also have the same mentality, just like when they sweep the Americans, Australians after certain incidents happened between the countries. What happened in Jakarta in May 1998 is one of the worst example in history, directed toward a certain race. Please note that I'm using this example to show you that what RELA did doesn't reflect all Malaysians, just like the May 98 incident shouldn't reflect ALL Indonesians.

Maybe most Malaysians don't care about what happened with those issues (Ambalat, the referee, the RELA incidents), but some might, does everyone need to blog about it? Let me ask you this, did you care when a group of Indonesians in Solo swept some Americans? Throwing punches at innocent people?
You might not.
Did you care with May 98 incident? You might.
Would Malaysians know about whether you care or not? If they don't know that you, as an Indonesia, care about those issues or not, should they label all Indonesians as a group of low life bastards? No.

I'm sure not all Indonesians are super sensitive like those friends of yours whom you tried to calm down back then with Ambalat issues.

I'm sure not all Indonesians are sensitive like certain people in your government whom didn't feel at ease with criticisms on Republik BBM / Republik Mimpi TV Show.

budi said...

inexistant issues? perhaps. but this is a serious government to government issue now. i wouldn't call it inexistant. but, of course, you are entitled to your oppinion.

btw, next year i am planning to go to malaysia to visit a friend. this things should not deter friendship.

Anonymous said...

gosh.

again, you still don't read between the lines.

if you read carefully, you'll know that what i meant by "inexistant issue" is *not* about what happened between Indonesia and Malaysia, what i meant is about you talking about things that never happened.

when you said you don't deny about Indonesia having its own issue.
FFS, no one said that you deny anything. no one.

so when you started talking about it (you don't deny...), that means you're making things up in your head. because no one said you did!

you tend to do that a lot with your writing style.

budi said...

Dear Anonymous,
I am sorry that my writing is not up to your standard. Perhaps, you might want to visit other blogs with better writing style?

Yosa said...

HOnestly not all Malaysians are bad.
I'm Indonesian and i'm mixed very well with Malaysians in Singapore where i live now.
and then again not all Indonesians are bad also...
Honestly dude... i'm quite agree with Anonymous.
every country has their own problem.

TaMa said...

Wow that anonymous thing sure have persistent anger on his comment....

sahathutajulubo said...

I'm wondering if the anonymous is the writer him self, it would be a very beautiful mind of him. Very democratic and very excellence scenario.

Are you Mr. Anonymous?

Anonymous said...

Dear Thief...

MalingSia asyuhhhhh...!!!
bedebah laknat..!!!

bunga19 said...

I must say that I got to agree with Anonymous way of thinking, very rational and intellectual.

HateUnCreativitation said...

Malaysia is country which less of creativitation...

Poor of you malaysia...

But, we will watching your step.. wherever you are...

Dont make my people... bring their bamboo... to make realized of what did you do...!!!

saya seorang ronin said...

does all of this has got something to do with the dispute in 2005:
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-03/2005-03-07-voa13.cfm?CFID=235042570&CFTOKEN=85414823

Anonymous said...

Gee, Anonymous Malaysian..
I live in Malaysia, and witness your ignorance and stupidity everyday.. I agree that not all Malaysians are bad, but you have to admid that you're looking at Indonesian as somewhat your inferior. No we're not!! There are a lot of exploitation in your country for those foreign workers (including Indonesians), and it's sickening to think that in every teh tarik or roti telur you're eating, there's a slavery part in it

Hadz said...

No offense, Malaysians..
But I 100% agree with the Blog Owner..

Malaysians are snobby.. Some of them,
They've just got to prove that they're not like that, but my Malaysian mates here prove the opposite..

I'm not dumb enough to believe that all Malaysians are bad, but I haven't seen any of those "good" people..

So far, I've gotta say that Malaysia is just proving themselves to be a BAD country..

If there are Indonesians teasing Malaysians, I would not stop them just yet,

Hadz said...

Sir, there is really no reason to be offensed being called "Indon", which is a short of "Indonesian". Come on, you guys also call some minority in your country as "Cina" which is a short of "Chinese".

-x-

Indon means DAMN INDONESIANS!!
While Cina is the Indonesian Word for Chinese...^^
It's different,
Indon is an offense, but Cina is just a regular Indonesian Word that exists in Dictionary, unlike Indon,

ate the batere said...

'Sir, there is really no reason to be offensed being called "Indon", which is a short of "Indonesian".'

----

so INDONBABI means... what?

Anonymous said...

Tak tahu ensiklopedia mana anda cari tak jumpa. Indon merupakan ringkasan yang digunakan seluruh dunia menggantikan perkataan Indonesia, terutama dalam akhbar. Lihat carian google books di sini:-

* http://books.google.com.my/books?hl=en&q=%22indon%20people%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wp

aiko said...

I don't understand why indonesians call malaysia as a thief just bcause malaysia and indonsia share some cultures. it is the same like chinese in china play fireworks during chinese new year where chinese in malaysia do that too. same goes to indian where they like to eat capati wherever they are. come on, we come from the same root and what's worst i some of us are muslims. i do not defend anybody because my father is indonesians and my mother is malaysian. my father likes rendang and my mom cooks. that's how family is. cool man.. we are brothers. no need to fight. moreover, before you curse anybody, do some research first and put yourself in their shoes. you might see things differently.

peace

Viking Persib ANti The Jak said...

Having browsed several blogs and forums the last couple of days, I came to realize that the hatred does exist!

But what surprised me the most is the fact that Malaysian government is not letting Indonesian maids to get a weekly leave and an access to their own passport.

So allow me to ask some questions to my Malaysian friends:

1. No one can work 24/7. There should be a policy that regulates the working hours of the migrant workers (even if he/she's only a maid). How could you expect someone to work 12 hours from Monday to Sunday ? It's another form of slavery!

2. Why can't Indonesian maid have an access to their own passport?

3. Why does Malaysian government grant a one day weekly leave and an access to passport to the filipino maids? Why can't Indonesian maids enjoy the same privilege?

4. This is a bit unrelated...but why do Malaysians insist on calling us "Indon" when you know that we're very offended being called by that name?

I do hope that the tension between us is only temporary and we could resolve our differences in no time.

Cheers

Anonymous said...

Even though l am a Malaysian but this does not deter me from expecting high expectation for Indonesia which is bestowed with such a huge population next to China and India.

Please do not be distracted by trivial issues which were just being exploited by a very insignificant groups of our citizen. To take them seriously will only distract and invites crisis between us.

We want Indonesia to be like China and India.

Just look at these two countries. They managed to make a name for themselves internationally with their economic strength, advancement in science and military capabilities. Don’t just depend on tourist and your badminton to make a name for yourselves.Be like India and China, build rockets and expand your nuclear capacities.

I am sure l not alone here. Most Malays Malaysian expected such power from Indonesia. You have the potential. Exploit it wisely. Why waste your energy on petty issues with Malaysia. Your focus should be ' To be the third strongest power in all fields for Asia ‘and l know you can do it with your 2oo over million citizen to assist.

Make us proud to be in the same group of race.

Memey said...

I'm Malaysian and I've beautiful Indonesian girlfriend... i love her and she love me...

Last night some indonesian break into my friend's house.

So, should i hate my girlfriend? hell no...

hate the moron people because each country have a lot of them... that why we still unable to compete even with the tiny israel.

think about it.

Anonymous said...

Actually, we can solve these problems almost immediately. In one of the blogs, i read someone said, malaysia can live without indonesia, and indonesia also can live without malaysia. if relationship proves to be too hard to handle, and produces more hatred than friendship, its better to reduce and cut links and inter activities. social and economic. Indonesia is rich in resources and can trade with anyone besides malaysia. cut it off, reduce and cut trades. indonesians do not like to be treated like inferior labourers and maids, so, cut it off. the saudis, the arabs, americans, the hong kong, treat indonesian maids better, like queens, with most love and care. never heard of any complaints of mistreatment from these countries. malaysia can't do up to their standards. malaysians in general are very barbaric, snobish, thieves anyway. malaysia do not deserve to employ indonesian maids. cut off, use filipinos, kambodians, etc. i heard that flipinos and cambodians muslims too. make it illegal to hire indonesians. jangan lukakan hati indonesia, by hiring them lowly as labourers and maids. this world is opened for many options, for all parties. we can choose to be dependent, or independent of each other. illegal indonesians invading into malaysian beaches looking for work, send their boats back, even though it may not make it back. dont give face, or mercy, or time. just treat them like any other illegals, dont close one eye, or treat them like they are relatives. same colour, maybe same roots, supposed to be same religion, but its all on surface. the hatred runs deep. heightened water & marine patrol against illegal boatings & indonesian illegal workers landing points. if we can shoot thailand & phillipine illegal boats, why spare invading illegal indonesian boats. just because they speak same language? stupid malaysia. malaysia is soo stupid. life is full of choices. if all those songs and dances means so much to indonesia, please give them back. say sorry, big real sincere sorry, and give them back. songs and dances dont put anyone in the map of success and progress. for god sake, give them back all the culture things they want. i dont see their culture takes them to space rocket success, let them have it back. as for ambalat, hire third party police country, maybe singapore, or whoever, to be the guard to ensure no one crosses each others section. since we cant self supervise, let others supervise. indonesia crossed the malaysian boundry 13 times, not a single malaysian media coverage or outrage, stupid malaysia. malaysia crossed 1 time, so far, bad malaysia. make sure it doesnt happen again. cut off, its too difficult. one thing malaysia did a major mistake for sure. the government do not give the due attention and reminders in malaysian education and books, that indonesia actually tried to invade, and attacked malaysia, a fact in history. stupid malaysia, for being so stupid, and laid back. cut off! nothing good coming out of the relationship. if history is being taught right, i bet not a single malaysian wants anything to do with indonesia. i do have one regret though, if all these happen soon. i do love sundanese food, and i hated malaysian, american, french, thai bateks, and only likes indonesian bateks. i also have a slight difficulty, in trying to explain to my children, that my great grandfather came by boat to find life from java island, to malaysia, and started a coffee plantation successfully, and my mother's parents are from kepulauan melayu acheh. i will have slight difficulty, to erase from my ever brainwashed minds, sicnce small, that islamic brotherhood supercede all race, colour, boundry, and culture; and that slight and small they are, but, against facts that are staring in the face...cut off, and leave each other alone....

Anonymous said...

Don't post anything you yourself not sure about it.
RELA is local organisation created by the residents to help to fight the escalating crimes in Malaysia.
RELA will never hurt people without any reason
Is it the particular Indonesian is a criminal??
Think about people in Indonesia which have relatives working in Malaysia, you just created unnecessary stress and worried among them..

Malaysia is a safe and peace country so far i living in.

music lover said...

in the relation of music ;
The Changcuters of Indonesia and HUJAN of Malaysia are close friend!
I like Pee Wee Gaskins of Indonesia.
I listen to UNGU and So7.
my friend in Indonesia love Siti Nurhaliza.
another friend of mine there listen to BunkFace and NiceStupidPlayground and OAG.

<3 PEACE!

singautara said...

think....bcoz we're human!!

israel between islam

palestin between arab counries

arab country with arab country

and now!!! here at nusantara

malaysia and indonesia

dont be.....
"malingsia" and "indonbabi"
we're not

bcoz we ar family
serumpun sehati sebudaya sebudi

sedangkan lidah lagi tergigit..

dont let enemy of NUSANTRA take advantage.

peribahasa indonesia:
BAGA AIR DI DAUN TALAS

zelkova said...

Indonesian-Malaysian issues are only merely politics. As you can see from most forums, the issue of mocking each other only comes mainly from Selangor and Jakarta. And one person/group posting bad stuff doesn't mean the whole state agrees with it. Lots of Malaysian stays in Indonesia. Lots of Indonesian stays in Malaysia. As for the 'Indon' calling, why would Indonesians be angry about it? Indonesians do call Malaysia or Malaysians as 'Malay' although not all of them are Malays. It's all about shortforms, no need to think about it. The dispute between Indonesia & Malaysia only benefits third group, whose keep on watching over us on a distance. As cultured people we can't simply generalize matters. We must go and see what's happening.

zelkova said...

Another thing i would like to post. We talk about percentage here. One case, Indonesian maid is not allowed to hold on her passport. How many Indonesians are there in Malaysia? Over 2 million, means that it's almost like one whole state. And one case, means it's less than 0.00001% chance of happening to 1 Indonesian. You see, they never put about maid cases on other countries such as UAE, USA, UK, or any other countries, isn't that biased? As if we're tricked to fight each other due to small problems?

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Anonymous said...

maaf cik sekalian mengapa orang indonesia marah di bilang indon.karna bangsa indonesia tidak suka akan kata itu,mengingatkan bangsa indonesia akan jaman perbudakan belanda.bangsa belanda selalu memanggil budak indonesia dengan sebutan indon.budak=kacung atau pembantu

Fake Bung Tomo said...

:)
whatever it is. i am here to blame the indonesian media. they love to write stories look so hot and angered the indonesians.
that's what some indo told me.

RELA is just some agency to handle "illegal immigrants". REPEAT. "illegal immigrants".

there are tooo much of illegal immigrants here. RELA is just doing their duty. i guess those media dont really describing the matters as an illegal immigrant matter.

whatever it is i dont deny there are some asshole malaysians who dont treat indonesian workers correctly. it is reported here in malaysia, and as a response, public general here in malaysia, we really condemned those assholes as they made our country look bad. those found guilty of such are punished.

think about it. this is the modern world.

indonesia-malaysia peace!