More bad news with Malaysia - Indonesia
I've got more emails and news about bad news between Indonesia and Malaysia. To be exact, there was a news about RELA (not sure what that is) that goes out after Indonesians in Malaysia. There were incidents where they hit Indonesians, rob, and do horrible things. I cannot even write this is my blog. I am so sad and frustrated. What's going on with Malaysia (and Malaysians)? What did we - Indonesian(s) - do to deserve this?
I thought there should be less boundary between Indonesia and Malaysia. But ...
What's going on there, bro & sis?
You know, more Indonesians now feel that they are offended by Malaysians. I can tell you that this bad feeling is increasing. This is a bad publicity towards Malaysia. People are now creating various calling names, such as "Malingsia" (it's a short of "maling" [thief] "siah" [you, Sundanese]), and worse.
I thought there should be less boundary between Indonesia and Malaysia. But ...
What's going on there, bro & sis?
You know, more Indonesians now feel that they are offended by Malaysians. I can tell you that this bad feeling is increasing. This is a bad publicity towards Malaysia. People are now creating various calling names, such as "Malingsia" (it's a short of "maling" [thief] "siah" [you, Sundanese]), and worse.
posted by budi | 5:06 PM
22 Comments:
I've read some of your writings regarding this Indonesian-Malaysian issue.
I think you should stop generalising.
Only a small number of Malaysians did all those things you mentioned on this blog post. Only some stupid Malaysian governments made a fuss about Rasa Sayange.
Those small number of people don't necessarily represent all Malaysians.
Stop talking as if all Malaysians are doing bad things to Indonesians.
As an academic, you should know better how to deliver your message in a balanced manner.
You wouldn't say that all Indonesians are rapists for what happened on May 12th.
this link shows even worse..take a look sir
Dear Anonymous,
I don't deny that Indonesia has her own problems, but those are problems within Indonesia. We didn't have problems with Malaysia. (Well, except during Soekarno.)
For example, we don't have specific name calling or deregatory term for Malaysians (they're just Malaysian), but there's "Indon" for Indonesians. Why the hatred? (Look at the URL presented in the second comment. It's full with hatred towards Indonesians.)
Another example. We never had a mob lynching on Malaysians living in Indonesia. Look at what RELA did to Indonesians living in Malaysia (well, in the semenajung - perhaps not in Kalimantan?). There are many Malaysians living in Indonesia. (I made friends with some of them. In November, a friend is coming from Malaysia to pay a visit. A few months ago I visited a old friend in KL. Hey, we even thinking of creating a company together.)
During "Ambalat issue", I tried to calm down angry Indonesians (not to attack Malaysian web sites, and such). The same thing with last issue, an Indonesian (Karate( official who was beaten by Malaysian police. Again some Indonesians were angry. I tried to calm them down. I have not seen this coming from the Malaysian end.
I hope my posting is not viewed as a generalization of Malaysians. I need views from Malaysians who think that what happened in Malaysia right now is wrong. I have not heard such a think. This gives me an impression that most Malaysians don't think that it is wrong or perhaps don't care. I hope I am wrong. (Could you provide me with URL?)
[I hope this messange is clearer than the main msg.]
Sir, there is really no reason to be offensed being called "Indon", which is a short of "Indonesian". Come on, you guys also call some minority in your country as "Cina" which is a short of "Chinese".
I've never said that you deny any problems with Indonesia, so your first paragraph is a moot point. Suggestion: your style of writing needs to stop addressing inexistant issues. You tend to build them up in your head even when your eyes clearly don't see them.
What I was saying with the problem in Indonesia is that one shouldn't generalise all Indonesians when there are only some of them who did the bad things.
Even though derogatory terms exist, do you think everyone uses it? All of them? The answer is no.
Second of all, the URL to topix.com doesn't represent all Malaysians. What if I start posting forum messages using Indonesian about certain hatred against Malaysian, should people then think all Indonesians are like that? The answer is no.
The way you talk about the fact that there's no derogatory term for Malaysians by Indonesians could be the same thing over there in Malaysia before the term "Indon" surfaced. Can you guarantee that 5 years from now that there will be no Indonesians calling Malaysians as "Malingsians"? What if all Indonesians use that term to despise Malaysians?
What I'm trying to raise here is the fact that the existence of a derogatory term doesn't represent the whole nation.
In terms of mob lynching done by SOME Malaysians. Some Indonesians also have the same mentality, just like when they sweep the Americans, Australians after certain incidents happened between the countries. What happened in Jakarta in May 1998 is one of the worst example in history, directed toward a certain race. Please note that I'm using this example to show you that what RELA did doesn't reflect all Malaysians, just like the May 98 incident shouldn't reflect ALL Indonesians.
Maybe most Malaysians don't care about what happened with those issues (Ambalat, the referee, the RELA incidents), but some might, does everyone need to blog about it? Let me ask you this, did you care when a group of Indonesians in Solo swept some Americans? Throwing punches at innocent people?
You might not.
Did you care with May 98 incident? You might.
Would Malaysians know about whether you care or not? If they don't know that you, as an Indonesia, care about those issues or not, should they label all Indonesians as a group of low life bastards? No.
I'm sure not all Indonesians are super sensitive like those friends of yours whom you tried to calm down back then with Ambalat issues.
I'm sure not all Indonesians are sensitive like certain people in your government whom didn't feel at ease with criticisms on Republik BBM / Republik Mimpi TV Show.
I've never said that you deny any problems with Indonesia, so your first paragraph is a moot point. Suggestion: your style of writing needs to stop addressing inexistant issues. You tend to build them up in your head even when your eyes clearly don't see them.
What I was saying with the problem in Indonesia is that one shouldn't generalise all Indonesians when there are only some of them who did the bad things.
Even though derogatory terms exist, do you think everyone uses it? All of them? The answer is no.
Second of all, the URL to topix.com doesn't represent all Malaysians. What if I start posting forum messages using Indonesian about certain hatred against Malaysian, should people then think all Indonesians are like that? The answer is no.
The way you talk about the fact that there's no derogatory term for Malaysians by Indonesians could be the same thing over there in Malaysia before the term "Indon" surfaced. Can you guarantee that 5 years from now that there will be no Indonesians calling Malaysians as "Malingsians"? What if all Indonesians use that term to despise Malaysians?
What I'm trying to raise here is the fact that the existence of a derogatory term doesn't represent the whole nation.
In terms of mob lynching done by SOME Malaysians. Some Indonesians also have the same mentality, just like when they sweep the Americans, Australians after certain incidents happened between the countries. What happened in Jakarta in May 1998 is one of the worst example in history, directed toward a certain race. Please note that I'm using this example to show you that what RELA did doesn't reflect all Malaysians, just like the May 98 incident shouldn't reflect ALL Indonesians.
Maybe most Malaysians don't care about what happened with those issues (Ambalat, the referee, the RELA incidents), but some might, does everyone need to blog about it? Let me ask you this, did you care when a group of Indonesians in Solo swept some Americans? Throwing punches at innocent people?
You might not.
Did you care with May 98 incident? You might.
Would Malaysians know about whether you care or not? If they don't know that you, as an Indonesia, care about those issues or not, should they label all Indonesians as a group of low life bastards? No.
I'm sure not all Indonesians are super sensitive like those friends of yours whom you tried to calm down back then with Ambalat issues.
I'm sure not all Indonesians are sensitive like certain people in your government whom didn't feel at ease with criticisms on Republik BBM / Republik Mimpi TV Show.
inexistant issues? perhaps. but this is a serious government to government issue now. i wouldn't call it inexistant. but, of course, you are entitled to your oppinion.
btw, next year i am planning to go to malaysia to visit a friend. this things should not deter friendship.
gosh.
again, you still don't read between the lines.
if you read carefully, you'll know that what i meant by "inexistant issue" is *not* about what happened between Indonesia and Malaysia, what i meant is about you talking about things that never happened.
when you said you don't deny about Indonesia having its own issue.
FFS, no one said that you deny anything. no one.
so when you started talking about it (you don't deny...), that means you're making things up in your head. because no one said you did!
you tend to do that a lot with your writing style.
Dear Anonymous,
I am sorry that my writing is not up to your standard. Perhaps, you might want to visit other blogs with better writing style?
HOnestly not all Malaysians are bad.
I'm Indonesian and i'm mixed very well with Malaysians in Singapore where i live now.
and then again not all Indonesians are bad also...
Honestly dude... i'm quite agree with Anonymous.
every country has their own problem.
Wow that anonymous thing sure have persistent anger on his comment....
I'm wondering if the anonymous is the writer him self, it would be a very beautiful mind of him. Very democratic and very excellence scenario.
Are you Mr. Anonymous?
Dear Thief...
MalingSia asyuhhhhh...!!!
bedebah laknat..!!!
I must say that I got to agree with Anonymous way of thinking, very rational and intellectual.
Malaysia is country which less of creativitation...
Poor of you malaysia...
But, we will watching your step.. wherever you are...
Dont make my people... bring their bamboo... to make realized of what did you do...!!!
does all of this has got something to do with the dispute in 2005:
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-03/2005-03-07-voa13.cfm?CFID=235042570&CFTOKEN=85414823
Gee, Anonymous Malaysian..
I live in Malaysia, and witness your ignorance and stupidity everyday.. I agree that not all Malaysians are bad, but you have to admid that you're looking at Indonesian as somewhat your inferior. No we're not!! There are a lot of exploitation in your country for those foreign workers (including Indonesians), and it's sickening to think that in every teh tarik or roti telur you're eating, there's a slavery part in it
No offense, Malaysians..
But I 100% agree with the Blog Owner..
Malaysians are snobby.. Some of them,
They've just got to prove that they're not like that, but my Malaysian mates here prove the opposite..
I'm not dumb enough to believe that all Malaysians are bad, but I haven't seen any of those "good" people..
So far, I've gotta say that Malaysia is just proving themselves to be a BAD country..
If there are Indonesians teasing Malaysians, I would not stop them just yet,
Sir, there is really no reason to be offensed being called "Indon", which is a short of "Indonesian". Come on, you guys also call some minority in your country as "Cina" which is a short of "Chinese".
-x-
Indon means DAMN INDONESIANS!!
While Cina is the Indonesian Word for Chinese...^^
It's different,
Indon is an offense, but Cina is just a regular Indonesian Word that exists in Dictionary, unlike Indon,
'Sir, there is really no reason to be offensed being called "Indon", which is a short of "Indonesian".'
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so INDONBABI means... what?
Tak tahu ensiklopedia mana anda cari tak jumpa. Indon merupakan ringkasan yang digunakan seluruh dunia menggantikan perkataan Indonesia, terutama dalam akhbar. Lihat carian google books di sini:-
* http://books.google.com.my/books?hl=en&q=%22indon%20people%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wp
I don't understand why indonesians call malaysia as a thief just bcause malaysia and indonsia share some cultures. it is the same like chinese in china play fireworks during chinese new year where chinese in malaysia do that too. same goes to indian where they like to eat capati wherever they are. come on, we come from the same root and what's worst i some of us are muslims. i do not defend anybody because my father is indonesians and my mother is malaysian. my father likes rendang and my mom cooks. that's how family is. cool man.. we are brothers. no need to fight. moreover, before you curse anybody, do some research first and put yourself in their shoes. you might see things differently.
peace
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